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		<title>Comment on Comments in response to &#8220;Welcome to Religious Polarization&#8221; by Susan Leo</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/comments-in-response-to-welcome-to-religious-polarization/#comment-10027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Leo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quick correction: Puntam and Campbell&#039;s book is &quot;_American_ Grace&quot;, not &quot;Amazing Grace&quot; as Bibby wrote.
And while Bibby was accurate in saying &quot;Protestant market share has dropped... to just under 50 percent&quot;, this skews the picture that white mainline Protestants now number a mere 15% of the population, a statistic that mainliners (like myself) should find startling if not distressing.  As researcher David Roozen puts it, the mainline has become the sideline. 

Bibby&#039;s argument is interesting.  It is certainly true that people in the US are no less spiritual than they have ever been, but the good folks of most mainline churches are not much interested in welcoming those &#039;spiritual&#039; people into their community life unless the latter are willing to develop the style and habits of the the former. As Judith states above, the structures of the church do their own good job of keeping the hungry hearts at bay. The people of the postmodern world we now live in will simply not sustain most of the structures that were birthed at the dawn of the Enlightenment.  Will mainliners get that in time to save their traditions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick correction: Puntam and Campbell&#8217;s book is &#8220;_American_ Grace&#8221;, not &#8220;Amazing Grace&#8221; as Bibby wrote.<br />
And while Bibby was accurate in saying &#8220;Protestant market share has dropped&#8230; to just under 50 percent&#8221;, this skews the picture that white mainline Protestants now number a mere 15% of the population, a statistic that mainliners (like myself) should find startling if not distressing.  As researcher David Roozen puts it, the mainline has become the sideline. </p>
<p>Bibby&#8217;s argument is interesting.  It is certainly true that people in the US are no less spiritual than they have ever been, but the good folks of most mainline churches are not much interested in welcoming those &#8216;spiritual&#8217; people into their community life unless the latter are willing to develop the style and habits of the the former. As Judith states above, the structures of the church do their own good job of keeping the hungry hearts at bay. The people of the postmodern world we now live in will simply not sustain most of the structures that were birthed at the dawn of the Enlightenment.  Will mainliners get that in time to save their traditions?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments in response to &#8220;Welcome to Religious Polarization&#8221; by Bob F</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not easy to leave a quick reply to this question of &#039;Nones&quot; and &quot;Not Nones&quot;.  I have had almost 30 years in the healthcare arena.  15 as a level 1 hospital chaplain and 13 years as chaplain in a county wide Hospice program.  Those that have some form of organized religious affiliations usually rely on that form for spiritual care.  They are mostly the older folks.   Same goes for Hospice.  Those that are disaffected by current affiliations or younger are far more spiritual than many of those that are affiliated. I do not know if you will ever be able to rejoin them to any group.  Sad, but true.  The &quot;Main Lines&quot; are losing out with the younger people as they, when they do attend, are going for the more modern and open forms of worship. Terry Hughes has hit the nail directly on the head in the last paragraph.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not easy to leave a quick reply to this question of &#8216;Nones&#8221; and &#8220;Not Nones&#8221;.  I have had almost 30 years in the healthcare arena.  15 as a level 1 hospital chaplain and 13 years as chaplain in a county wide Hospice program.  Those that have some form of organized religious affiliations usually rely on that form for spiritual care.  They are mostly the older folks.   Same goes for Hospice.  Those that are disaffected by current affiliations or younger are far more spiritual than many of those that are affiliated. I do not know if you will ever be able to rejoin them to any group.  Sad, but true.  The &#8220;Main Lines&#8221; are losing out with the younger people as they, when they do attend, are going for the more modern and open forms of worship. Terry Hughes has hit the nail directly on the head in the last paragraph.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments in response to &#8220;Welcome to Religious Polarization&#8221; by John Pehrson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Pehrson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of thje polarizataions I see is taking place within Christianity. The far  left and the far right often fail to even say the other view is Christian. It&#039;s a bad as the politics of the current US election. Add to it, the &quot;creepy&quot; churches (Westboro Baptist), the levels of misconduct across the board,  the variety of views on Gay marriage, etc, and many people have concluded they want little or nothing to do with organized, or maybe I should say, disorganized religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of thje polarizataions I see is taking place within Christianity. The far  left and the far right often fail to even say the other view is Christian. It&#8217;s a bad as the politics of the current US election. Add to it, the &#8220;creepy&#8221; churches (Westboro Baptist), the levels of misconduct across the board,  the variety of views on Gay marriage, etc, and many people have concluded they want little or nothing to do with organized, or maybe I should say, disorganized religion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments in response to &#8220;Welcome to Religious Polarization&#8221; by Judith Gotwald</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/comments-in-response-to-welcome-to-religious-polarization/#comment-10023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Judith Gotwald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Church recognizes that it is failing — at least as far as organizational numbers go. It is desperately trying to reverse trends. In doing so we put demands for change on congregations while saddling them with age-old structure. 

It&#039;s the structure that has to change. The newer generations have not experienced the structures of the past and feel no need for them. The dire economy reinforces in the lay mind that they cannot afford the old structure, regardless of their loyalty. Congregations are being asked to give up entirely so that the structure can continue — with far fewer Christians or congregations supporting it.

From the online Christian chatrooms that I follow, there seems to be a strong spiritual thread among the young. The Church needs to energize that spirituality — not control it for their own benefit. 

Meanwhile, structures measure their success by their ability to keep going with the same staff and same budgets, regardless of the statistics staring them in the face.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church recognizes that it is failing — at least as far as organizational numbers go. It is desperately trying to reverse trends. In doing so we put demands for change on congregations while saddling them with age-old structure. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the structure that has to change. The newer generations have not experienced the structures of the past and feel no need for them. The dire economy reinforces in the lay mind that they cannot afford the old structure, regardless of their loyalty. Congregations are being asked to give up entirely so that the structure can continue — with far fewer Christians or congregations supporting it.</p>
<p>From the online Christian chatrooms that I follow, there seems to be a strong spiritual thread among the young. The Church needs to energize that spirituality — not control it for their own benefit. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, structures measure their success by their ability to keep going with the same staff and same budgets, regardless of the statistics staring them in the face.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments in response to &#8220;Welcome to Religious Polarization&#8221; by Terry Hughes</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/comments-in-response-to-welcome-to-religious-polarization/#comment-10022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry Hughes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a pastor I agree with the premise of the article, I believe religion is on the decline but people are more spiritual today. They want to see God in action through lives that are being changed. The &quot;nones&quot; would like to be accepted without being judged or looked down upon and they want to roll up there selves and get involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pastor I agree with the premise of the article, I believe religion is on the decline but people are more spiritual today. They want to see God in action through lives that are being changed. The &#8220;nones&#8221; would like to be accepted without being judged or looked down upon and they want to roll up there selves and get involved.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to &#8220;The Challenge to Change&#8221; by Annette Bedford</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/resources-and-comments-in-response-to-the-challenge-to-change/#comment-9886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annette Bedford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please don&#039;t put all the blame on &quot;aging&quot; congregations......as an &quot;older&quot; adult (and a pastor) what I frequently see is many &#039;older adults&#039; not only willing to change and wanting to change the style of worship, etc., but have wonderful ideas about how to do it.  It may be a generational thing, but having participated in worship at a small church composed of few members over the age of 50....they were friendly to me because I walked in pretty much being approachable myself.  Please don&#039;t kick us older folks aside because you think we cannot/will &quot;change&quot;......show us a way and we will follow.  The Lord&#039;s path is full of twists and turns for all ages and lives can be transformed by all generations guiding one another down the path of life and of worship.

ATBedford]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t put all the blame on &#8220;aging&#8221; congregations&#8230;&#8230;as an &#8220;older&#8221; adult (and a pastor) what I frequently see is many &#8216;older adults&#8217; not only willing to change and wanting to change the style of worship, etc., but have wonderful ideas about how to do it.  It may be a generational thing, but having participated in worship at a small church composed of few members over the age of 50&#8230;.they were friendly to me because I walked in pretty much being approachable myself.  Please don&#8217;t kick us older folks aside because you think we cannot/will &#8220;change&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;show us a way and we will follow.  The Lord&#8217;s path is full of twists and turns for all ages and lives can be transformed by all generations guiding one another down the path of life and of worship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to &#8220;Is Conflict a Good Thing?&#8221; by Bill Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Reid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our Minister sent a link to this article to all of the Board members of our UU Church.  I found the comments about MBTI characteristics contributing to conflict to be insightful, and accurate in my experience.  

But the situation in my Church is different.  Maybe Alban has taught, in effect, that Thinking types are right and Feeling types are wrong.  Maybe there are some Churches where they accept type T people ‘as is,’ but require type F people to change their inherent behaviors?  But my UU Church has firmly established that Feeling types are ‘Right’ and Thinking types are ‘Wrong’ (or at least seriously defective).  The aim of my Church is to be as deeply spiritual as possible, and we declare that ‘Leadership is all about Heart’ (not logic, analysis, process, objectivity, synthesis, or results).   

In our Church, the highest priority in any Leadership consideration is usually &quot;Who might be hurt, and how can we protect them?&quot;  We would rather be a loving spiritual community (and accomplish little) than be effective or transformational (and hurt someone’s feelings).  The natural conflict avoidance of Type F can cause us to shut down conflict with no forward progress and/or no real resolution.  Some congregations will sacrifice clarity and purpose in order to avoid conflict. 

I like the perspective presented by Susan Nienaber.  I think her comments about conflict and her focus on behavior, rather than type, could help reshape conflict resolution in a better way.  I also think that acknowledging the ‘polarity management’ aspects of many conflicts, and attending to them, would help resolve many Church conflicts.  Whenever there is an ‘anti-truth, an equal but opposite idea that is also true’ there is probably a polarity that needs to be managed, rather than a problem that needs to be solved.
Many times we fail to bring people into a both/and process rather than a one-sided focus.  As an organization, I think we have a hard time balancing the Spiritual (feeling) pole with the Rational (thinking) pole.  I like your conclusion that leaders need both courage and compassion.

Your article caused me to consider the MBTI Typology as a possible factor in Church conflicts, and as I was considering this, I realized that MBTI typology might also be a factor in another Church issue.  

The MBTI polarity of T and F is the only MBTI typology that has a gender biased distribution.  Males are roughly 60% type T, and females are 60% type F.  Consequently, an organization that develops a T or F biased culture would most likely be most welcoming toward one type (and corresponding gender) and indifferent or less welcoming toward the other type (and corresponding gender).  Since Unitarian Universalist Churches are experiencing much higher percentages of female participation, attendance, and leadership; one might speculate that these Churches might be more welcoming or accessible to MBTI type F persons.  

Is it possible that what we now most value in our UU Churches is ‘being spiritual’ (which seems to correspond with MBTI Type F attributes and being female)?   For some time, I assessed our current UU culture as ‘Honoring female attributes of leadership and discounting male attributes of leadership.”   It may be that the correct assessment is that our UU culture honors MBTI type F attributes of behavior and leadership and discounts MBTI type T attributes of behavior and leadership.  I believe that this is reflected in our Congregational attendance, participation, and leadership; and it seems to be evident at the UUA and district levels as well.   This may be the result of 35 years of poor polarity management regarding Feminism/Masculinism.  I believe that this may help explain why there are now relatively few active engaged liberal men in our UU Churches? 

Unitarian Universalists do not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, gender identity, age, national origin, and many other factors.  But do we discriminate on the basis of MBTI type of personality?   As I review the personality descriptions of MBTI types, I can clearly see that some types will fit effortlessly into our current UU culture, and others may be quite challenged.   Do we accept type F people ‘as is,’ but require type T people to change their inherent personality driven behaviors?  Are we welcoming to all personality types in the same intentional way that we are welcoming to GLBT people?
  
But of course, the larger question regarding our UU ministry to men is, ‘Have we noticed that relatively few men are participating in our UU Churches, and do we care?’

As a fellow ‘thinking type’ I appreciate efforts to better understand our UU organizations and their dynamics.  I think this article brings up some issues worthy of further consideration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Minister sent a link to this article to all of the Board members of our UU Church.  I found the comments about MBTI characteristics contributing to conflict to be insightful, and accurate in my experience.  </p>
<p>But the situation in my Church is different.  Maybe Alban has taught, in effect, that Thinking types are right and Feeling types are wrong.  Maybe there are some Churches where they accept type T people ‘as is,’ but require type F people to change their inherent behaviors?  But my UU Church has firmly established that Feeling types are ‘Right’ and Thinking types are ‘Wrong’ (or at least seriously defective).  The aim of my Church is to be as deeply spiritual as possible, and we declare that ‘Leadership is all about Heart’ (not logic, analysis, process, objectivity, synthesis, or results).   </p>
<p>In our Church, the highest priority in any Leadership consideration is usually &#8220;Who might be hurt, and how can we protect them?&#8221;  We would rather be a loving spiritual community (and accomplish little) than be effective or transformational (and hurt someone’s feelings).  The natural conflict avoidance of Type F can cause us to shut down conflict with no forward progress and/or no real resolution.  Some congregations will sacrifice clarity and purpose in order to avoid conflict. </p>
<p>I like the perspective presented by Susan Nienaber.  I think her comments about conflict and her focus on behavior, rather than type, could help reshape conflict resolution in a better way.  I also think that acknowledging the ‘polarity management’ aspects of many conflicts, and attending to them, would help resolve many Church conflicts.  Whenever there is an ‘anti-truth, an equal but opposite idea that is also true’ there is probably a polarity that needs to be managed, rather than a problem that needs to be solved.<br />
Many times we fail to bring people into a both/and process rather than a one-sided focus.  As an organization, I think we have a hard time balancing the Spiritual (feeling) pole with the Rational (thinking) pole.  I like your conclusion that leaders need both courage and compassion.</p>
<p>Your article caused me to consider the MBTI Typology as a possible factor in Church conflicts, and as I was considering this, I realized that MBTI typology might also be a factor in another Church issue.  </p>
<p>The MBTI polarity of T and F is the only MBTI typology that has a gender biased distribution.  Males are roughly 60% type T, and females are 60% type F.  Consequently, an organization that develops a T or F biased culture would most likely be most welcoming toward one type (and corresponding gender) and indifferent or less welcoming toward the other type (and corresponding gender).  Since Unitarian Universalist Churches are experiencing much higher percentages of female participation, attendance, and leadership; one might speculate that these Churches might be more welcoming or accessible to MBTI type F persons.  </p>
<p>Is it possible that what we now most value in our UU Churches is ‘being spiritual’ (which seems to correspond with MBTI Type F attributes and being female)?   For some time, I assessed our current UU culture as ‘Honoring female attributes of leadership and discounting male attributes of leadership.”   It may be that the correct assessment is that our UU culture honors MBTI type F attributes of behavior and leadership and discounts MBTI type T attributes of behavior and leadership.  I believe that this is reflected in our Congregational attendance, participation, and leadership; and it seems to be evident at the UUA and district levels as well.   This may be the result of 35 years of poor polarity management regarding Feminism/Masculinism.  I believe that this may help explain why there are now relatively few active engaged liberal men in our UU Churches? </p>
<p>Unitarian Universalists do not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, gender identity, age, national origin, and many other factors.  But do we discriminate on the basis of MBTI type of personality?   As I review the personality descriptions of MBTI types, I can clearly see that some types will fit effortlessly into our current UU culture, and others may be quite challenged.   Do we accept type F people ‘as is,’ but require type T people to change their inherent personality driven behaviors?  Are we welcoming to all personality types in the same intentional way that we are welcoming to GLBT people?</p>
<p>But of course, the larger question regarding our UU ministry to men is, ‘Have we noticed that relatively few men are participating in our UU Churches, and do we care?’</p>
<p>As a fellow ‘thinking type’ I appreciate efforts to better understand our UU organizations and their dynamics.  I think this article brings up some issues worthy of further consideration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to &#8220;The Challenge to Change&#8221; by Rebecca Crise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca Crise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article. If you want further reading take a look at Brene Brown. She has been doing research into shame and how destructive it is in oursociety. Shame resilience can be learned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. If you want further reading take a look at Brene Brown. She has been doing research into shame and how destructive it is in oursociety. Shame resilience can be learned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to &#8220;The Challenge to Change&#8221; by Tripper Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tripper Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup. 
I keep praying for change, working for change, hoping for change and, after 35 years of conciously doing this I am asking myself why bother? The institution will not change. It is hard-wired to resist. So if those of us who are striving to change it just stop and give up and go elsewhere what will happen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.<br />
I keep praying for change, working for change, hoping for change and, after 35 years of conciously doing this I am asking myself why bother? The institution will not change. It is hard-wired to resist. So if those of us who are striving to change it just stop and give up and go elsewhere what will happen?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to &#8220;The Challenge to Change&#8221; by Thomas Margrave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Margrave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve ordered the book and look forward to reading it.  I think that the snippet provided regarding Amanda is not particularly a good one unless Professor McClintock was able to do enough research to determine that shame and the experience of Sunday visitors have a definite cause and effect relationship.  It sounds more like &#039;Amanda&#039; experienced the &#039;closed&#039; church that everyone writing on how to make the visitor welcome and newcomer ministry tries to correct.  For example, I have found that people of all ages, visitors as well as longtime congregants who are older appreciate the announcement of page numbers related to the worship.  It seems to me that every human organization delights in having acronyms and abbrieviations which confound the outsider.  Anthropologists like to call such things an expression of organizational argot.  &#039;Amanda&#039;s&#039; alienation says more about the experience of the long-unchurched who can only be integrated successfully if someone takes the time to be appropriately friendly and helpful so that the discomfort lessens.
  As a pastor for some years I am convinced that many congregations exhibit some form of pathological grief, ie. grief that has not gone through the complete cycle we associate with a healthy human experience.  Congregational organizations aren&#039;t able to make decisions; there is blaming and guilt and, in agreement with Professor McClintock, shame.
A number of years ago a Presbyterian Executive Presbyter wrote an excellent book for Alban identifying the issue of congregational grief but she didn&#039;t really explore what happens when the congregational culture is stuck in grief and often not aware of it.  As a result of whatever happened in the past, the prevailing way of doing things begins to reflect dis-ease rather than health.  People cannot be completely present to others and truly welcoming.  If the culture begins to conform to this hamstrung existence, it will persist long after the congregants who first experienced the hurt are no longer alive.
What kinds of things can cause this grief?  Among others, there is the issue of clergy misconduct whether sexual or pastoral; the death of a beloved leader particularly traumatically; the departure of a loved pastor when forced out by a small but powerful group, financial malfeasance long undetected.  The very aging and decline of the membership can cast a pall over congregational life.
I think the interrelation of fixated grief and shame, their effects on congregational life, and how to help congregants accept that there are festered issues and then successfully work through them are important issues for congregations with traditions of corporate life and worship and need a hulistic approach sooner rather than later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve ordered the book and look forward to reading it.  I think that the snippet provided regarding Amanda is not particularly a good one unless Professor McClintock was able to do enough research to determine that shame and the experience of Sunday visitors have a definite cause and effect relationship.  It sounds more like &#8216;Amanda&#8217; experienced the &#8216;closed&#8217; church that everyone writing on how to make the visitor welcome and newcomer ministry tries to correct.  For example, I have found that people of all ages, visitors as well as longtime congregants who are older appreciate the announcement of page numbers related to the worship.  It seems to me that every human organization delights in having acronyms and abbrieviations which confound the outsider.  Anthropologists like to call such things an expression of organizational argot.  &#8216;Amanda&#8217;s&#8217; alienation says more about the experience of the long-unchurched who can only be integrated successfully if someone takes the time to be appropriately friendly and helpful so that the discomfort lessens.<br />
  As a pastor for some years I am convinced that many congregations exhibit some form of pathological grief, ie. grief that has not gone through the complete cycle we associate with a healthy human experience.  Congregational organizations aren&#8217;t able to make decisions; there is blaming and guilt and, in agreement with Professor McClintock, shame.<br />
A number of years ago a Presbyterian Executive Presbyter wrote an excellent book for Alban identifying the issue of congregational grief but she didn&#8217;t really explore what happens when the congregational culture is stuck in grief and often not aware of it.  As a result of whatever happened in the past, the prevailing way of doing things begins to reflect dis-ease rather than health.  People cannot be completely present to others and truly welcoming.  If the culture begins to conform to this hamstrung existence, it will persist long after the congregants who first experienced the hurt are no longer alive.<br />
What kinds of things can cause this grief?  Among others, there is the issue of clergy misconduct whether sexual or pastoral; the death of a beloved leader particularly traumatically; the departure of a loved pastor when forced out by a small but powerful group, financial malfeasance long undetected.  The very aging and decline of the membership can cast a pall over congregational life.<br />
I think the interrelation of fixated grief and shame, their effects on congregational life, and how to help congregants accept that there are festered issues and then successfully work through them are important issues for congregations with traditions of corporate life and worship and need a hulistic approach sooner rather than later.</p>
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